Even though EUCON is not supported, can I still use the MIDI control from the Avid Artist mix to control the RME stuff?

Are you sure? When we tested that (more than a year ago) Euphonix checked the name of the exe file, did not have TotalMix FX in their whitelist, and so it didn't work (although it would do so as we confirmed by renaming our app). I never heard back from them if that problem was ever fixed on their side.

EUCON should work with old Totalmix plus Totalmix FX. Perhaps someone who is using Artist Mix will test the following workaround.

I tried only Euphonix/Avid Artist Transport with FF400 + FF UCX and MacOS 10.6.8 + 10.8.5. No Problems with FF400 if you install Totalmix in EUCON Preferences with protocol "MackieControl" MidiPort 1-4 and start EUCON System with "Start" Button below in EUCON Preferences. Totalmix FX is much more tricky to connect to Artist Controller. I think it is a "simple" issue with the Name because of buggy Eucon Drivers. Avid does not seem to be interested to solve this Problem. Interesting to see in EUCON Preferences the Difference of Names. Below Application Column you see "TotalmixFX", Path Column describes it as "/Applications/Totalmix.app" without the "FX". I am not an expert but i think this "little" Difference of Names causes the issue to not connect permanently to Totalmix FX. There was a similar Problem with Logic X that could be solved by only renaming an xml-File. TotalmixFX seems to be more complicated, manually renaming the xml-File does not work in this case.

For connecting an Artist-Controller with TotalMixFX i found an experimental Solution: To try it you have to do precisely the following steps.

- start RME-Hardware to start Totalmix FX in OSX
- go to EUCON Preferences and click the Startbutton. You see rotating grey E icon in top menu bar
- don't click anywhere in Finder and power on your Artist Controller. Foreground App should be "EuControl" (don't switch to another!). Icon animation will stop and icon goes black. Your controller is online. E.g. Artist Transport shows "00:00:00:00" in its Display
- again don't click anywhere but only activate the "Soft Keys" Button in EuControl Settings. Here you can select your desired Commands to assign to the Hardware Keys of the Controller. After finishing your setup don't forget to save with the "save"-Button
- Last important step: Click "Asign" Button in Main Menu of EuControl and assign your controller to TotalmixFX

Now your Controller should remain connected and work with TotalmixFX even if you switch to different Apps. Sure there are annoying limitations: When you leave "EuControl" Software to switch to another App, it is impossible to edit your Settings when using EUCON Commands (that contain all Mackie Commands), only Key Commands can be changed and edited. To reactivate EUCON editing you first have to power off Artist Controller, then stop EuControl with "Stop" Button in EUCON Preferences, only quitting EuControl App does not work! After that repeat described Procedure. Only TotalmixFX can be used with your Artist Controller. No chance to switch between different Apps or even better different Hosts with different Apps. If you do this by unassigning EuControl from TotalMixFX you can't reconnect by selecting the Totalmix FX and again have to repeat the annoying Procedure.

The Concept of EuCon for me is the best of all "payable" Hardware Controllers (Price/Quality/Features). It's very disappointing to me, that there seems to be no Interest to solve driver issues to make it work much more stable and universal. Hardware is great, software is Beta - not finished. It would be a great chance for both RME AND Avid, if they could cooperate to optimize Communication and Functions for their excellent Hardware. Artist Transport alone could be an Advanced Remote Control DELUXE for all RME Systems, if only the Connection Problem would be solved and if there would be a way to get Jog Wheel work as an assignable Volume Fader for Master, Phones, Outs etc. (similar to the great assignably Jog Function in Logic) this would be the most efficient Controller on market (in my eyes ;-) But i am a realist, sure there are economical thoughts, that prevent this User friendly Development on both sides :'-/

loonypac - yes it is the internal program name that needs to be changed. We gave them all the details and all we got back was that we should implement the Eucon protocol. Quite ridiculous as the change on their side is less than a minute work, while the other one is weeks of work - time that we simply not have.

Avid has historically been a very self-focused company IMHO. I'm not at all surprised they don't do a better job of integrating with non-Avid products. They, in fact, took forever to integrate ProTools and Media Composer. This Avid Artist Mix control surface is essentially a re-painted Euphonix piece with EUCON updates. Expecting them to immediately get it working on a whole host of hardware platforms seems hopeful at best.
That is not to say they don't make nice stuff. It just seems that Avid is slow to adopt non-Avid devices in favor of their own devices. And that, frankly is to be expected. ProTools was just able to use third party hardware a few years back. For years you were locked into at least one piece of their hardware.
I love the RME interfaces. They work for me. I need some physical buttons and knobs. I decided to just pick up an older MIDI controller and do things the old fashioned way. I don't have a ton of time to fool around making two things work together that don't want to work together. I'm a bit sad I can't play with the new hotness of an Artist Mix, but meh. I'm more focused on making my rig work and less focused on trying new things at this point.
I'll report back with my findings on the JL Cooper stuff working directly with the RME Fireface UFX.

Is it possible to get a behringer bcf2000 to activate the layout presets?
Thanks.
Craig.

Of course. Stand-Alone MIDI supports the Mackie protocol, as can be read in the manual.

RME TOTALMIX MIDI CONTROL (midi channel, cc number, function)

CH1 CC 7 - MONITOR MAIN VOL

CH1 CC 16 - IN 1 PAN
CH1 CC 17 - IN 2 PAN
CH1 CC 18 - IN 3 PAN
CH1 CC 19 - IN 4 PAN
CH1 CC 20 - IN 5 PAN
CH1 cc 21 - IN 6 PAN
CH1 CC 22 - IN 7 PAN
CH1 CC 23 - IN 8 PAN

CH1 CC 102 - IN 1 VOL
CH1 CC 103 - IN 2 VOL
CH1 CC 104 - IN 3 VOL
CH1 CC 105 - IN 4 VOL
CH1 CC 106 - IN 5 VOL
CH1 CC 107 - IN 6 VOL
CH1 CC 108 - IN 7 VOL
CH1 CC 109 - IN 8 VOL
CH1 CC 110 - IN 9 VOL
CH1 CC 111 - IN 10 VOL
CH1 CC 112 - IN 11 VOL
CH1 CC 113 - IN 12 VOL
CH1 CC 114 - IN 13 VOL
CH1 CC 115 - IN 14 VOL
CH1 CC 116 - IN 15 VOL
CH1 CC 117 - IN 16 VOL

CH2 CC 102 - IN 17 VOL
CH2 CC 103 - IN 18 VOL

CH5 CC 102 - OUT 1 VOL
CH5 CC 103 - OUT 2 VOL
CH5 CC 104 - OUT 3 VOL
CH5 CC 105 - OUT 4 VOL
CH5 CC 106 - OUT 5 VOL
CH5 CC 107 - OUT 6 VOL
CH5 CC 108 - OUT 7 VOL
CH5 CC 109 - OUT 8 VOL
CH5 CC 110 - OUT 9 VOL
CH5 CC 111 - OUT 10 VOL
CH5 CC 112 - OUT 11 VOL
CH5 CC 113 - OUT 12 VOL
CH5 CC 114 - OUT 13 VOL
CH5 CC 115 - OUT 14 VOL
CH5 CC 116 - OUT 15 VOL
CH5 CC 117 - OUT 16 VOL

CH6 CC 102 - OUT 17 VOL
CH6 CC 103 - OUT 18 VOL

CH9 CC 102 - AN 1 VOL
CH9 CC 103 - AN 2 VOL
CH9 CC 104 - AN 3 VOL
CH9 CC 105 - AN 4 VOL
CH9 CC 106 - AN 5 VOL
CH9 CC 107 - AN 6 VOL
CH9 CC 108 - AN 7 VOL
CH9 CC 109 - AN 8 VOL
CH9 CC 110 - SP L VOL
CH9 CC 111 - SP R VOL
CH9 CC 112 - A 1 VOL
CH9 CC 113 - A 2 VOL
CH9 CC 114 - A 3 VOL
CH9 CC 115 - A 4 VOL
CH9 CC 116 - A 5 VOL
CH9 CC 117 - A 6 VOL

CH10 CC 102 - A 7 VOL
CH10 CC 103 - A 8 VOL
CH10 CC 104 - PH L VOL
CH10 CC 105 - PH R VOL

Lemur and Ipad for me is fantastic.

Did you ever get your answer?

What did you install and how?

Isn't that obvious? Adding the whole software TM FX with all supported protocols into the hardware's FPGA isn't possible. These units are not sold as stand-alone mixing desk. They are still audio interfaces.

I agree that a simple midi support for faders and pan would already be helpful. Standalone mixing capabilities is something which you can find and expect from a modern audio interface. digital mixers and audio interfaces are merging more and more.

Ipad works fine in CC mode!