Topic: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hi there,

I'd like to control the ADI 8 QS's global output volume via a hardware fader. According to the manual the ADI 8 can be controlled by MIDI. However, if I understand it correctly, I'd need a controller capable of sending Sysex messages?
I'v not been able to find a fader that could do that directly.
Could you please recommend something for that? Would e.g. a fader port work? Or any other DAW controller?

Thanks,
Klaus

2 (edited by Potscrubber 2017-03-09 12:44:47)

Re: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hi Klaus

There aren't a lot of midi controllers that you can program to send out Sysex values from faders and knobs.  However, there are some.

The most flexible way could be to use Bome Midi Translator. If you didn't want your msg to go via the computer, you could get their hardware Bomebox as well to translate in hardware.  Possibly the most flexible way, with hardware controller of your choice.  Then you could also assign output mutes etc.

Simon

Madiface XT, Madiface, 3x Micstasy, ADI8QS
Sequoia 17, W10 x64
https://bsound.co.nz/tools-nix

Re: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hi Simon,

Thanks!
However, I don't need to be flexible, since I simply would like to have a fader to control the ADI 8 QS global volume. The Bomebox is not what I'm looking for. I have the RME remote control, but I find that not as comfy as a fader.

Here's the reason why I'd like to intensively use the ADI global volume: The relevant setup consists of a Fireface UC, the ADI 8 QS, and the monitors. I think it's not the best idea to control the output volume by Total Mix, because that's in the digital section. Since I assume that the global volume control of the ADI is in the analogue section, that'd be the way to go.

You mentioned that "there are some" Sysex faders out there. Could you please give me a few hints?
I know the Behringer Fader can do that, but I'd like to have alternatives, maybe less bulky (one fader would be enough) and more modern  (-:
I've searched a lot, but couldn't find anything.

Maybe an RME Admin could help as well with a hint toward a fader for the ADI?

Cheers,
Klaus

Re: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hey Klaus.  Incorrect assumption I'm sorry. Extract from the maunal below.  So in a sense it's the same as TMFX, except further downstream if for example your DAW goes haywire.

Encore SlideMate, Doepfer Pocket Fader, JL Cooper Fadermaster (all discontinued I think (ebay?))

Do you enjoy DIY?  You could do something custom based on a platform like Midibox or similar, and embed a nice big fader in the surface of your desk/table  ;-)



9.2 Global Output Level

Ganged setting of all 8 analog output levels simultaneously. This
function provides a global volume control, which is indispensable
when doing surround monitoring. The included remote control box
directly uses this function.

The level attenuation is calculated and performed in the digital domain. When using higher at-
tenuation settings most of the time, the hardware output level (OUTPUT) should be changed to
a lower setting to utilize the whole dynamic range of the DA-converters as much as possible.

There are 48 steps from 0 dB (no attenuation) down to -96 dB available. Each step is shown as
one LED in the left window. The more LEDs light up, the higher is the output level. At 0 dB at-
tenuation all 48 LEDs are lit. In the range of 0 db down to –20 dB the attenuation takes place in
steps of 1 dB.

Madiface XT, Madiface, 3x Micstasy, ADI8QS
Sequoia 17, W10 x64
https://bsound.co.nz/tools-nix

Re: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hi Simon,

yes, I enjoy DIY. However, there are already some other projects waiting  (-:

The attenuation being in the D-section, does that mean it doesn't matter at all, wether I use TM in the Fireface UC or the attentuation of the ADI? Are the resolutions the same?
I'm planning to replace the UC by a UFX+, but I guess that'll make no difference in this respect.

Thanks very much!
Klaus

6 (edited by Potscrubber 2017-03-10 04:17:53)

Re: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hi Klaus

Well, I believe it's pretty much the same technically whether done in TMFX or ADI8QS output trim, a simple * operation.  If you are worried about bit depth, you'd have to get the fader down pretty low to start losing audible resolution.  But see the point in the 2nd paragraph of the manual extract regarding optimising this range with the switched hardware output level (which is in the analogue domain).

Simiarly for years I have used TMFX with an advanced remote as my monitor controller.  What I did was use the attenuation on my mionitors (DIP switches yay, not pots - Thankyou Emes) to lower the input gain on the monitors in the analogue domain.  This gets them in the range where my master TMFX fader lives in the range of -12 ~ 0 depending if I am listening to mastered music or working on unmastered material.  I actually really like the advanced remotes large flat wheel pot as a monitor control - it sets next to my keyboard and it's easily operated with one finger like a fader.

What all this doesn't buy you is an analogue saftey net of a dim, level or mute if your DAW (or DAW operator) tries to divide by zero.  However I have not destroyed my monitors yet despite some spectacular Sequoia crashes.  I mostly credit this to the integrity of the RME drivers rather than technical prudence on my part.

Your ideal scenario of the fader directly connected by midi to the ADI8QS is not bad in a crash scenario assuming the ADI8QS is still responding to midi input. 

I've had a look for passive analogue monitor controllers, but they are all variations on knobs.  Haven't seen any faders.

What about DIY lite?  Get a high quality fader potentiometer, and this box (USD 120)
http://www.midisolutions.com/prodped.htm

I had a quick look at it's s/w and you should be able to program it with the ADI8QS's sysex for global (as in all outputs) output volume which happens to be:
F0 00 20 0D 41 7F 20 00 xx F7   
where xx is the data byte in 48 steps from 00 to 30 hex. 
But the only way to know for sure is to buy it & test it out.

Simon

Madiface XT, Madiface, 3x Micstasy, ADI8QS
Sequoia 17, W10 x64
https://bsound.co.nz/tools-nix

Re: Control ADI 8 QS by MIDI Hardware controller

Hi Simon,

thanks a lot for your help!

Your hint towards "you'd have to get the fader down pretty low to start losing audible resolution.  ... optimising this range with the switched hardware output level (which is in the analogue domain)." is exactly what I needed to know. A few years ago I had the opportunity to try out a pretty expensive analogue monitor controller with top notch monitors. I couldn't hear any difference between attenuation via the controller versus Totalmix' fader.

Now I'm using a simple MIDI controller for Totalmix, leaving the ADI8QS level at 100%, and I'm happy.

I have another, small issue with controlling Totalmix' global mute button, but I'll post that in the appropriate section of this forum.

Thanks again,
kind regards,
Klaus