Topic: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

I sync'd my 2 fireface 800's together via firewire 800 on my PC. Now when I start it up and watch a video the audio is spotty at first then just goes completely away. My video freezes. All was working well before I added the 2nd unit. Ever run across this issue?

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

You can not sync via FireWire. You need to sync the two units correctly as mentioned in the manual.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

MC wrote:

You can not sync via FireWire. You need to sync the two units correctly as mentioned in the manual.

I followed this guide step by step. Maybe "sync" isn't the word I should have used? I want to use both FF800's on 1 PC. I found this video the tutorials section of this forum.
https://www.youtube.com/6fdfe04b-4c58-4 … 5aaa38701f

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Link invalid.

You should have two printed manuals. Multi-FF800 operation is described in chapter 14, Using more than one Fireface 800.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Am understanding this correctly from the manual?

"In real world operation, it is not unusual that all
Firefaces have to be connected directly to the 1394b ports of the computer, using cables of
similar length."

(In simple instruction) Connect both Fireface's directly to the firewire 800 card of the PC?

It's that simple? No BNC needed?

7 (edited by Dark Star Balla 2017-11-26 05:58:43)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

So I've Connected both Fireface's directly to the firewire 800 card of the PC, I still have the BNC cable connect Out FF8 1/In FF8 2.
I'm getting audio but it's still very, very jitterry even playing kind of slow sounds like a clock issue. Am I forgetting something? Also not sure if it's relevant but I'm using WDM not ASiO.

I've always used my Fireface 800 in WDM mode. I run Cakewalk Sonar on a PC and WDM has always worked well for me when using one FF800.
Was all good before connecting this 2nd unit.

Do you have one connected directly to firewire card on your computer? do you have the bnc word connected?
I haven't even opened my DAW yet. Just trying to get the audio to play properly.
Any suggestions?
I'm also running 2 Panasonic Ramsa DA7's, should I run BNC from the main FF800 out to them?

8 (edited by ramses 2017-11-26 12:14:43)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

The handbooks tells clearly that the units need to be clock synchronized. This needs to be configured in the RME driver settings dialog. Sadly you do not tell anything about what you configured there, although this is the most important thing after cabling.

1st of all .. If you do not really require Word Clock, then better clock synch both devices by using any digital line between those 2 units. RME steadyclock mechanism is better than Word Clock by design.

Proposal:

1. Connect FF800#1 via AES cables to FF800#2:
FF800#1, port AES OUT ------> FF800#2, port AES IN

2. Configure in the driver settings dialog
FF800#1: clock source: internal (= master)
FF800#2: clock source: AES (=gettin clock from AES = slave)

Panasonic Ramsa DA7
If you want help for a 3rd party product on RME forum I would expect at least your politeness to:
- specify the product as there are several models available Mk II or similar
- to provide a product or handbook link which describes the Unit in terms of
-- what interfaces it supports
-- whether it supports WC
-- how clocking can be configured

Some information about Steadyclock:
https://www.rme-audio.de/english/techin … yclock.htm
https://www.soundonsound.com/people/rme-designs

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

9 (edited by Dark Star Balla 2017-11-27 01:04:38)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

The handbooks tells clearly that the units need to be clock synchronized. This needs to be configured in the RME driver settings dialog. Sadly you do not tell anything about what you configured there, although this is the most important thing after cabling.

1st of all .. If you do not really require Word Clock, then better clock synch both devices by using any digital line between those 2 units. RME steadyclock mechanism is better than Word Clock by design.

I'm not sure I'm fully understanding you here... But are you saying I don't require wordclock or asking if I require it?
My interpretation is that you're stating I do not need to use wordclock but a digital connection(spdif) instead.

Proposal:

"1. Connect FF800#1 via AES cables to FF800#2:
FF800#1, port AES OUT ------> FF800#2, port AES IN"

I replaced the BNC connection with SPDIF.


"2. Configure in the driver settings dialog
FF800#1: clock source: internal (= master)
FF800#2: clock source: AES (=gettin clock from AES = slave)"

This is my exact configuration (if you're calling AES Spdif)

"Panasonic Ramsa DA7"
Thanks but I am not worried about the DA7's yet. I've been using them for years. Several with just one FF800.
The problem is with the audio from my PC since connecting this 2nd FF800. I mentioned them as to give an idea
of my setup. But yes they do support wordclock.

I may try running ...
wordclock out of FF800 1 into wc of DA7 1 and
wordclock out of FF800 2 into DA7 2 just to see if it clears the problem.

Some information about Steadyclock:
https://www.rme-audio.de/english/techin … yclock.htm
https://www.soundonsound.com/people/rme-designs

Thanks.

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

1. Please do not mix quoting of my text together with your answers. It makes no fun having to search for your answer in my text.

2. Please use the img tags of the forum editor, so that the links will work. You could/should have checked that after posting that this way it won't work.

> I'm not sure I'm fully understanding you here... But are you saying I don't require wordclock or asking if I require it?

People usually think that wordclock is superior / the best, but it is not.
In the case of RME their clocking design over digital links is better than wordclock.
If your Panasonic Ramsa DA7 can be clocked by an incoming ADAT signal/connection, then do that.

>My interpretation is that you're stating I do not need to use wordclock but a digital connection(spdif) instead.

Yes if your Ramsa can receive clock via ADAT. Ask the vendor, ask in their forum, check manuals, check whether its somewhere visible from the configuration menue of the Ramsa.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

1. "Please do not mix quoting of my text together with your answers. It makes no fun having to search for your answer in my text."

This is what Quotation marks (") are for.

2. "Please use the img tags of the forum editor, so that the links will work. You could/should have checked that after posting that this way it won't work."

I did it that way, I see the photos fine. Not sure what the issue is for you.

> I'm not sure I'm fully understanding you here... But are you saying I don't require wordclock or asking if I require it?

"People usually think that wordclock is superior / the best, but it is not.
In the case of RME their clocking design over digital links is better than wordclock.
If your Panasonic Ramsa DA7 can be clocked by an incoming ADAT signal/connection, then do that."

I make no assumptions but workclock is usually 1st goto maybe from habit. And yes the DA7's is locked in sync with the ff800 via adat lightpipe. I have 2 DA7's each one is locked to it's on FF800

>My interpretation is that you're stating I do not need to use wordclock but a digital connection(spdif) instead.

Yes if your Ramsa can receive clock via ADAT. Ask the vendor, ask in their forum, check manuals, check whether its somewhere visible from the configuration menue of the Ramsa.

As stated before this is not only possible but this is the case.

But again my focus is the audio from the PC to the FF800 (my initial post as stated before I'm certain the DA7's are not the issue.

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Dark Star Balla wrote:

So I've Connected both Fireface's directly to the firewire 800 card of the PC, I still have the BNC cable connect Out FF8 1/In FF8 2.

And is the OUT unit set to Clock mode Master/Internal, and the IN unit set to Word in the Settings dialog? And shows Sync for Word?

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

13 (edited by ramses 2017-11-27 16:27:23)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

> This is what Quotation marks (") are for.

See how other ppl quote, which gives much better overview.

>I did it that way, I see the photos fine. Not sure what the issue is for you.

Neither its clickable, nor the URL can be marked for copy/paste.

>I make no assumptions but workclock is usually 1st goto maybe from habit.
>And yes the DA7's is locked in sync with the ff800 via adat lightpipe.
> I have 2 DA7's each one is locked to it's on FF800

Then you do not require WC.
The 2 FF800 will act master/slave (clocked i.e. via AES. Master, clock mode "internal", Slave, clock mode "AES")
Each of the Ramsa gets the clock via ADAT.
You need 2 ADAT cables per device:
- one for the direction to send audio to the FF800.
- one for the direction to receive clock and audio from the FF800 <--- and this needs to be in the locked state, which shows that they are linked.

Don't become confused ;-)
I think MC is going your direction with WC as you seem to "like" WC.
I tell you a potentially better alternative based on your information.
Most likely better quality and you do not have to fiddle around with BNC cables.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

MC wrote:
Dark Star Balla wrote:

So I've Connected both Fireface's directly to the firewire 800 card of the PC, I still have the BNC cable connect Out FF8 1/In FF8 2.

And is the OUT unit set to Clock mode Master/Internal, and the IN unit set to Word in the Settings dialog? And shows Sync for Word?

I did at the time but upon Ramses suggestion I disconnected the BNC and connected FF800#1 via spdif cables to
FF800#1, port spdif OUT ------> FF800#2, port spdif IN. FF800#1: clock source: internal (= master)
FF800#2: clock source: spdif (=gettin clock from spdif = slave

One other thing was when I opened the settings window it read 14 WDM devices however when I opened my DAW (Sonar X3e) it's in ASIO mode. I'm wondering if that could be my issue? When I set the WDM devices to 0 I lost all of my sound. I would like to run ASIO thru my entire system.

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

So now that we know your cablings and settings are correct the next thing to check is if reducing the channel count via Limit Bandwidth in the Settings dialog makes a difference. It could be that the high number of channels is just too much for your computer. FW card not good enough, PCI/PCIe (what the FW card uses) not good enough etc etc.

To use ASIO with Sonar usually 1 WDM device per Fireface is enough. If Sonar finds the interface then you can use ASIO as well.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

MC wrote:

So now that we know your cablings and settings are correct the next thing to check is if reducing the channel count via Limit Bandwidth in the Settings dialog makes a difference. It could be that the high number of channels is just too much for your computer. FW card not good enough, PCI/PCIe (what the FW card uses) not good enough etc etc.

Not sure how much of a difference this makes but I decided to power up only FF800's and still got the same results as far as the audio. Extremely jittery out of time.

To use ASIO with Sonar usually 1 WDM device per Fireface is enough. If Sonar finds the interface then you can use ASIO as well.

Do you mean in the FF800 settings set the WDM devices to 1 instead of 0? Because when I set it to 0 the FF800's does not show in my devices. Also the red host light is flashing every ten seconds or so.

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The red host light flashing is an absolute No Go and means FW is not working as expected. What FW card is that with what chipset?

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

18 (edited by Dark Star Balla 2017-11-29 07:38:51)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

It's a texas chipset 1394 OHCI compliant host controller. It's so old tho I've forgotten the brand. Video of sound playing.  https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/935746143346135041

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Video of the host light. It does the same on both FF800's. https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/935752763069419521

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Open your PC, get the card out, read chipset eventually take / post photo.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

It's a texas instruments 1394 OHCI compliant host controller

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

This doesnt answer the question, all Firewire cards are compliant to this standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394

The question is what exact chipset is being used on your card. Some are known to be problematic.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

The question is what exact chipset is being used on your card. Some are known to be problematic.

I answered above that it is a "texas chipset". Unless I'm not understanding your question.

Is there a list of compatible "Firewire cards" for the Fireface 800? MC could be correct and my card has gone bad. I installed it in 2009 around the time I got my 1st Fireface 800.

24 (edited by ramses 2017-11-29 18:15:03)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Sigh ... Texas Instruments produced several chipsets over the years.
Some of them are not ok.
Therefore its required to know the exact model.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

Sigh ... Texas Instruments produced several chipsets over the years.
Some of them are not ok. Therefore its required to know the exact model.

Did not know this. Was always told "texas chipset" nothing more specific. Will open it up and check soon as possible. In the mean time does anyone know if Is there a list of compatible "Firewire cards"?
I'd like to know before ordering one.

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

There are several threads about this with exact chipset details in this forum.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Yea, been reading through some posts. I just wish I knew for  sure that it is my FW card that's causing this issue. As stated before all was well before connecting the 2nd unit but we'll see

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

So far it's on'y adding to my frustration. Not getting any useful answers. Only a serious headache and less time creating music. Beginning to miss my VS2480. Of all these posts I'm reading no one has just said what works.

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

One step after the other. 1st you should deliver the information what Firewire card you have, then lets see.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

One step after the other. 1st you should deliver the information what Firewire card you have, then lets see.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP6boF2XUAAylw5.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP6bfnrXkAAPSDT.jpg:large

31 (edited by ramses 2017-12-01 00:40:56)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

So its a Syba SY-PEX30016 with TI XIO2213B (ZAY Package)
http://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route= … uct_id=119

Timur gave some interesting information about this card:
https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopi … 44#p123244

"The TI chipsets are not true PCIe controllers, instead the XIO2213B incorporates a PCIe-PCI bridge and FW controller in one chip. Performance wise that's not a drawback, but some mainboards/BIOS might be picky about the combination. It's one more bridge that can cause issues, but usually does not."

@Timur: which other card would you recommend ?
I used this here, am not sure, whether it also has such an additional bridge.
On my system this card worked reliable, but I connected only 1 UFX with Fw400, not 2xFw800.
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/exs … 75938.html

MC> The red host light flashing is an absolute No Go and means FW is not working as expected.
MC> What FW card is that with what chipset?

@Matthias: do you think its a malfunctioning card or is maybe this additional PCIe/PCI bridge an issue ?

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Can't say, sorry.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

33 (edited by Dark Star Balla 2017-12-01 07:12:02)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

So its a Syba SY-PEX30016 with TI XIO2213B (ZAY Package)
http://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route= … uct_id=119

Timur gave some interesting information about this card:
https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopi … 44#p123244

"The TI chipsets are not true PCIe controllers, instead the XIO2213B incorporates a PCIe-PCI bridge and FW controller in one chip. Performance wise that's not a drawback, but some mainboards/BIOS might be picky about the combination. It's one more bridge that can cause issues, but usually does not."

@Timur: which other card would you recommend ?
I used this here, am not sure, whether it also has such an additional bridge.
On my system this card worked reliable, but I connected only 1 UFX with Fw400, not 2xFw800.
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/exs … 75938.html

Read it yesterday. Either all it was saying was that it is not the right card for an RME ff800 or it went over my head.
The board is an asus P8Z77-V LK Z77 if that helps answer my question as to what firewire 800 card/s work best for the Fireface 800

MC> The red host light flashing is an absolute No Go and means FW is not working as expected.
MC> What FW card is that with what chipset?

@Matthias: do you think its a malfunctioning card or is maybe this additional PCIe/PCI bridge an issue ?

@Matthias: Let's start here... In your opinion do you believe the issue to be my firewire card tho it worked prior to connecting the 2nd interface? @Ramses Feel free to chime in.

I am looking at this card now (https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Exp … B000WCT5HK) but from Timor's post I honestly was left uncertain as to whether or not he was saying this card is not suitable.

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

YOU> https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Exp … B000WCT5HK
Look at customer question about chipset. All from 2013.
Worst answer is TI XIO2200A, this is a TI chipset which is buggy in terms of interrupt handling.
Maybe ask now again this question, whats being shipped now in Nov 2017.

You might try the EXSYS card which I was using with success with UFX.
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/exs … 75938.html
Ok, its the same TI chipset XIO2213, but EXSYS is known to deliver quality cards.
By this you can only "hope", that
- eventually the card is better produced or
- maybe your current card has some issues, that maybe are solved by a new card

Eventually also get some new quality Firewire cables. Not longer than 2-3m.
How long are your current Fw 800 cables ?

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

I looked for that EXSYS card unfortunately not something I can find here in the states. Found on ebay but will take approx a month to get to me. My studio has been down so long I'm hoping to find something that I can get my hands on much sooner.  There has to be other users here in the U.S. that are successfully using this interface with a PC set up who can guide me on a reliable Firewire 800 card here.

36 (edited by Dark Star Balla 2017-12-02 09:07:49)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

So I ordered this card....
https://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-Allegro-P … s%7CVantec


Any opinion on?

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

According to product specs it has also an TI  XIO2213A chip.
https://www.sonnettech.com/product/alle … 0pcie.html
You can only hope that this card works better.

In post #34 I suggested that you maybe try new / quality firewire cables and asked how long your firewire cables are.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

38 (edited by Dark Star Balla 2017-12-02 19:58:40)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

ramses wrote:

According to product specs it has also an TI  XIO2213A chip.
https://www.sonnettech.com/product/alle … 0pcie.html
You can only hope that this card works better.

I saw that. Was looking thru the reviews and most were positive.

In post #34 I suggested that you maybe try new / quality firewire cables and asked how long your firewire cables are.

10 feet

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

1,83m should be fine.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Sorry they're 10. 6 wouldn't reach my PC

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

2,54m should be fine.

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Thanks for all your assistance! Now hoping the card was the issue and the new one will not be.

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Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Nevertheless we had customers with FW cables of bad quality, so you should get a second pair to rule that out.

Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

I actually have a surplus of cables.  Better to have too many than not enough.

45 (edited by ramses 2017-12-03 10:16:40)

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Dark Star Balla wrote:

I actually have a surplus of cables.  Better to have too many than not enough.

BTW .. What you never said, whether the red blinking goes away if you use really different cables.
Another Manufacturer/Brand and not the cheapest one.
Eventually also a very short cable of only 1.5m to exclude any impact of cable length.

You mention, you have multiple cables, are they all the same model / type ?
It could be, that either the quality of cable/plugs of one manufacturer is generally not good
or that maybe the production of one cable type was faulty from factory.
Tthen it could be that all of your cables have the same issue.

Even worse it was for firewire 400 cards, as the faulty TI XIO2200A has been used by many companies
to equip their cards with it.

MC wrote:

Nevertheless we had customers with FW cables of bad quality, so you should get a second pair to rule that out.

I made good experience with Lindy Cables:
http://www.lindy.de/FireWire-800-Kabel- … p;pi=30757

It would not be the 1st time that people troubleshoot everything "to hell" spending many efforts and at the end it turned out to be a cable problem.

In the IT there is - for some reason - a golden rule of thumb "check cables and connectors" wink

BR Ramses - UFX III, 12Mic, XTC, ADI-2 Pro FS R BE, RayDAT, X10SRi-F, E5-1680v4, Win10Pro22H2, Cub13

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Not only did it not work but kept crashing my pc "bad pool caller"? At any rate when I first ordered I thought you guys meant XIO2200 was the exact TI chipset I didn't understand that the XIO2200 was a "series" and none in the that series would work. So now I'll look for something else. Sooooo... back to the drawing board

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

Oh and yes I tried multiple sets of cables.

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I'm confused as to the differences in the the 1st card I own Syba SY-PEX30016 and this SY-PEX30016 3 Port Firewire 1394B & 1394A PCIe 1.1 x1 Card TI XIO2213B Chipset
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006DQ0KD2/re … B00SNCBEBG) Or if there is a one? They're both XIO2213B but the one I own says V2.0 on it and the other PIA002213X2B? Could this be the one that I've been looking for??

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

So I figured I'd try one more card https://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-PEX30016 … r_1_1?th=1 The Syba Low Profile PCI-Express 1394b/1394a (2B1A) Card, TI Chipset, Extra Regular Bracket SD-PEX30009. I could not find a difference in the Syba SY-PEX30016's the one they're selling and the one I have here. I assumed because the SY-PEX30016 I own is so old the one on amazon could be a newer updated model.

Re: 2 FF800's sync'd but issues

While I wait for the new card to arrive (SD-PEX30009) to get here I connect 1 of the FF800's via Firewire 400 with success. Has me wondering if firewire 800 may be incompatible with my system? https://t.co/Su6qJmZmps Just doesn't feel like I'll ever get the 2 ff800 units to cooperate. Is it possible to run 2 separate firewire cards and run a ff800 per card via firewire 400?

@Ramses
@Timur